# INCRETIR in ASEC 2019: Why is the universe 58+?

**URL:** <https://forum.ipums.org/t/incretir-in-asec-2019-why-is-the-universe-58/3247>\
**Category:** CPS\
**Created:** [November 13, 2019, 8:05pm UTC](https://forum.ipums.org/t/incretir-in-asec-2019-why-is-the-universe-58/3247 "2019-11-13T20:05:19Z")\
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**Author:** ![jvandernaald](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.ipums.org/jvandernaald/32/292_2.png) [@jvandernaald](https://forum.ipums.org/u/jvandernaald)\
**Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 8:05pm UTC](https://forum.ipums.org/t/incretir-in-asec-2019-why-is-the-universe-58/3247/1 "2019-11-13T20:05:19Z")

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Hello!

I am working on a project where I am gathering income components to create a social welfare measure. I am using the ASEC samples as my data set, including 2019. In gathering data for my project, I noticed that beginning with the 2019 ASEC, the CPS disaggregates the retirement income measures into different variables, and that INCRETIR now records only “income from retirement accounts, and not pension plans or annuities. Retirement account income from 401k, 403b, Roth IRA, regular IRA, KEOGH, and Simplified Employee Pension (SEP) plans.” When I examine the universe of this variable, I notice that the universe is constrained to “Persons age 58+.” I am unable to locate the reasoning for such a restriction and was hoping that someone here could explain this. Given that people choose to retire and draw from retirement income sources at various ages (particularly for defined contribution sources such as 401k accounts), why would the source of this variable be constrained to only persons who are 58 years of age and older? Any insight with documentation would be extremely helpful.

[https://cps.ipums.org/cps-action/variables/incretir#universe\_section](https://cps.ipums.org/cps-action/variables/incretir#universe_section)

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**Author:** ![Matthew\_Bombyk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/34f0e0/32.png) [@Matthew\_Bombyk](https://forum.ipums.org/u/Matthew_Bombyk)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 9:54pm UTC](https://forum.ipums.org/t/incretir-in-asec-2019-why-is-the-universe-58/3247/2 "2019-11-18T21:54:07Z")

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In 2019 the Census Bureau changed the universe of the INCRETIR source variable, for unexplained reasons. However, they make the data available for people under age 58 as well. The variables [INCRET1](https://cps.ipums.org/cps-action/variables/INCRETI1#description_section) and [INCRET2](https://cps.ipums.org/cps-action/variables/INCRETI2#description_section) contain data from all individuals age 15+. Summing these will give you a variable that is consistent with INCRETIR in earlier years.

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**Author:** ![jvandernaald](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.ipums.org/jvandernaald/32/292_2.png) [@jvandernaald](https://forum.ipums.org/u/jvandernaald)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 10:45pm UTC](https://forum.ipums.org/t/incretir-in-asec-2019-why-is-the-universe-58/3247/3 "2019-11-18T22:45:38Z")

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Interesting. Thanks for getting back to me on this, Matthew!